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Fault Code Readers

Postby Craig-MGR » Mon Oct 10, 2011 7:31 pm

I'm thinking of getting a fault code reader to ensure everything is in good shape on my 45. Can anyone recommend one? Are they actually worth bothering with?
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Re: Fault Code Readers

Postby rhyds » Mon Oct 10, 2011 7:34 pm

For a 400 you need the pukka Rover testbook kit to communicate with the MEMS ECU. Later models (2001) apparently do talk to normal EOBD scanners, but what you'll find out will be minimal.
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Re: Fault Code Readers

Postby Zeuss101 » Tue Oct 11, 2011 7:57 am

Not that it will affect you Craig, but if I recall the facelift cars aren't compatible for the readers used on the earlier cars as the software was changed.
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Re: Fault Code Readers

Postby MGJohn » Tue Oct 11, 2011 1:02 pm

Craig-MGR wrote:I'm thinking of getting a fault code reader to ensure everything is in good shape on my 45. Can anyone recommend one? Are they actually worth bothering with?


If that's a post 2000 Rover 45 in your avatar then the answer is YES.

I invested £27 ( incl p/p ) on ebay back in January and it paid for itself within a day or so. Here it is used on my 51-Reg 1.4 R45.

AUTEL Maxiscan MS300 OBDII Code Reader:~

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It works on all the post 2000 K-Series cars in the family including my son's Lotus Elise S2. We have three 1.8 K-Series in the family including the Lotus.. ;)

The MIL = Malfunction Indicator Light (Engine Management Light) has never come on in the MGZS 1.8 we've had since May 2003. Even so, I plugged the Code Reader in and it DID come up with a fault code. Misfire detected on one of the cylinders. Cleaned/reset plug ~ sorted.

Comes with user manual ~ easy to follow including a table of the many fault Codes (100s). Get those codes then clear them at the push of a button. £27 well spent.
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Re: Fault Code Readers

Postby Craig-MGR » Tue Oct 11, 2011 4:06 pm

Thanks for the replies. Yes John it is a post 2000 car. I reckon I will invest in the one you recommended. It will be interesting to see what comes up , if anything.
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Re: Fault Code Readers

Postby rhyds » Tue Oct 11, 2011 5:31 pm

MGJohn wrote:The MIL = Malfunction Indicator Light (Engine Management Light) has never come on in the MGZS 1.8 we've had since May 2003. Even so, I plugged the Code Reader in and it DID come up with a fault code. Misfire detected on one of the cylinders. Cleaned/reset plug ~ sorted.


I've just found this little paragraph on RAVE:

NOTE: The MIL is disabled on vehicles
built prior to the ECD3 compliance date.


Very useful of MGR on that score!

Thanks for the heads up John. I'll probably get one for the 45, and I'll be it will talk to my parents' Diesel Astra as well.

EDIT: Is this the one?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Maxiscan-Diagno ... 835&sr=8-1
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Re: Fault Code Readers

Postby Craig-MGR » Tue Oct 11, 2011 7:07 pm

That's the one I've just purchased . Amazon appears to be the cheapest place to get them from.
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Re: Fault Code Readers

Postby MGJohn » Tue Oct 11, 2011 7:20 pm


Craig-MGR wrote:.
That's the one I've just purchased . Amazon appears to be the cheapest place to get them from.
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Looks identical to mine. If that price includes the CD and User Manual, great value.

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Re: Fault Code Readers

Postby rhyds » Tue Oct 11, 2011 7:21 pm

If it comes to it OBDII codes can be found on tinterwebs
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Re: Fault Code Readers

Postby MGJohn » Tue Oct 11, 2011 7:33 pm

Zeuss101 wrote:Not that it will affect you Craig, but if I recall the facelift cars aren't compatible for the readers used on the earlier cars as the software was changed.


There's an OBDII Port on the MKII Rover 45 I'm currently breaking. Same location as other Rovers and MGs in the family. It certainly plugs in with my OBD reader but, cannot test it because I've removed too much stuff from the car to be able to use it now. Electrically, the car is now dead.

My MKII R45 has an SCU in place of the 5AS jobbie I'm much more familiar with.

There's still a lot of this car left such as Heated Front Seats, N/S headlight and front wing if anyone is interested. here's what the car looks like currently. Lot of interest on MK II ZS/45 bits.

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I'm keeping the engine/clutch/gearbox assembly and the exhaust. Someone has asked about the four alloys and nearly new tyres until he gets paid soon ... ;)


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Re: Fault Code Readers

Postby Craig-MGR » Tue Oct 11, 2011 7:52 pm

Hi John , is it a saloon model?
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Re: Fault Code Readers

Postby MGJohn » Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:02 pm

Craig-MGR wrote:Hi John , is it a saloon model?


Yes... a saloon ... rear end shunt ... not economical to repair..

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Re: Fault Code Readers

Postby Craig-MGR » Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:13 pm

Is the interior colour ash grey? I'm after the driver's side lower fascia panel that the driver's storage box clips into.
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Re: Fault Code Readers

Postby MGJohn » Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:49 pm

Craig-MGR wrote:Is the interior colour ash grey? I'm after the driver's side lower fascia panel that the driver's storage box clips into.


Not sure, Ash Grey rings a bell. Can you tell from these pics? :~

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Much of the smaller stuff in those pictures has gone.
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Re: Fault Code Readers

Postby Benny » Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:57 pm

Intrigued to see how that radio works with the TM Clock display....
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Re: Fault Code Readers

Postby MGJohn » Wed Oct 12, 2011 3:55 pm

Benny wrote:Intrigued to see how that radio works with the TM Clock display....


Most of that stuff is no longer there. The head unit was there to plug a void... ;)
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Re: Fault Code Readers

Postby Benny » Wed Oct 12, 2011 3:59 pm

Have you still got the clock?
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Re: Fault Code Readers

Postby MGJohn » Wed Oct 12, 2011 7:10 pm

Benny wrote:Have you still got the clock?


... Yes... ;) ... Tm.

YFB000200 Have a look at Rimmer's prices for one... ;)

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Re: Fault Code Readers

Postby rhyds » Fri Oct 14, 2011 6:10 pm

Well I've gone and ordered one. Lets see what terribleness lurks within the 45's ECU. And the Astra's, and the 106...
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Re: Fault Code Readers

Postby rhyds » Tue Oct 18, 2011 6:08 pm

The reader arrived today. It synced up with the CAN BUS Astra diesel with no problems, unfortunately it wouldn't communicate with the 45's ECU. What protocol does yours come up with on the 45 John? I remember hearing that early MEMS 3 cars had the OBDII/EOBD features turned off though, but can't remember where.
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Re: Fault Code Readers

Postby rhyds » Tue Oct 18, 2011 8:23 pm

OK, more research done, and it seems there's a problem with EARLY 45s. MG Rover apparently didn't have to apply EOBD to their cars until 2001 (for petrol cars, diesels were 2005), when the EU directive came in. This means that early cars do not work with standard EOBD readers like the maxiscan.

The easiest way to tell if your car is EOBD compatible is to look at the ID label on the ECU. EOBD units have EOBD written on them:

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Mine (an early 2000/W) doesn't have EOBD written on it, and doesn't communicate with the maxiscan.
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Re: Fault Code Readers

Postby MGJohn » Tue Oct 18, 2011 9:37 pm

Not to forget that the registration is not a positive indicator of when the car actually left the production line. Not unknown for a new car to be in a dealership unregistered for over a year. I had a Triumph Spitfire Demonstrator new first registered in 1982. X-Reg. Production stopped a few years before... yer tis :~

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My W-Reg 45 Connoisseur doesn't want to play either.. :(
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Re: Fault Code Readers

Postby MGJohn » Tue Oct 18, 2011 9:45 pm

:idea:

My local breaker yard is now getting the occasional R45 and R25. R75s less frequent but, again beginning to show.

If I see say an 01-02-03 reg example with a fob present, I'll remove the 5AS and ECU and swap them over and see if they then make my R45 OBDII readable. I've done this with a couple of cars and the swap works, never tried the OBD reader on them though.

Anyone any thoughts on this?
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Re: Fault Code Readers

Postby rhyds » Tue Oct 18, 2011 9:48 pm

If you swap the ECU, 5AS and fobs as a set then it should just work (the socket is there). I'd just check that all the pins are in the socket on your non EOBD car first. As said, you'll have to check the ECU has EOBD on the label before starting.
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Re: Fault Code Readers

Postby talkingcars » Mon Oct 24, 2011 9:19 pm

Although the socket is there it may not be fully wired, both my '99 MGF and my sons '96 R100 have the socket but it doesn't comply with the scanner.
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